17 posts tagged “chiron”
So, I got to meet a local celebrity from my hometown the other day. It was great fun- he's known for having the blingiest house at Christmas you have ever seen, and I got to tour the house. Huzzah!
So as I'm reading his website later, he happened to mention his birthday (the day before mine! Wow, I know a lot of April 23rd birthdays), AND the place of birth and time!
Yeah, I had to look.
He's a double Taurus (shopping, shopping), with a Sag moon (like me, hah), and URANUS RISING! That just cracked me up big time. He's in a very hierarchical profession/religion, but has the big ol' Sign of the Weirdo right front and center. With a north node in Leo (flashy!) in the fourth house...yes, he has a flashy house. (Interestingly enough, Chiron is conjunct the NN. I wonder what that means to him to do a flashy house with that aspect.) He's also a Venus Saturn person...a Catholic deacon sworn to celibacy.
Amusingly enough, my mother told him the next day that I'd seen we had nearby birthdays and he was all, "Taurus! Stubborn, likes to shop..." Believe me, if you've seen his house, you KNOW that. He must be really fun to go shopping with. Huh, I should meet the man more often. :)
"However, there are a few issues you need to work through to get to your goal of love and marriage.
My first impression when I looked at your chart was that you are a person grew up in a overprotective atmosphere. Your Sun in the zodiac sign of Taurus is opposite Saturn, which usually indicates a restrictive upbringing, “for your own good”. It is an out of sign opposition, which weakens the effect, but you did experience a childhood where girls’ behavior was closely monitored, and your brother experienced greater freedom of movement. You were enjoined and praised for being a “good girl”, which I am sure you were. But being a “good girl” also denied you avenues of personal growth. For one thing, despite Pluto running over your Uranus/Venus opposition, which is a cry for personal freedom in your chart, you are still looking for the traditional avenues of personal fulfillment, love and marriage. Perhaps all you’ve gotten out of this transit is a sense that you are “different” from other girls, but nothing can be further from the truth.
An important planet for you is Chiron which sits at the top of your chart, one of four points in a Grand Cross in mutable signs. Chiron talks about a wound that is difficult to heal. It manifests in conditions that cause us emotion pain. A Grand Cross in Mutable signs calls for adaptability in face of changing conditions. One effect of a Grand Cross is that when one point of the Cross is activated, the energy zings around the chart affecting other other parts of your life. For you this effects your health, the health of other people around you, your higher ideals and communications you receive. One would surmise from such a Cross that you are often expected to care for the health of a family member, most likely your mother or another female relative, which is a cause of the restrictions in your life. Your pain is that these restrictions are making it difficult for you to live your own life.
Your Grand Trine does not help you in that it allows you to acquiesce to the demands of others. It also feeds what some have called the Cinderella Complex. Cinderella does everything she is supposed to do, despite hardships, and she is rewarded by magically being allowed to go to ball, being swept away into the arms of Prince Charming and eventually living happily ever after. But life is not a fairy tale, and if we want something to happen, we need to make it happen. You aren’t Cinderella and Prince Charming crept off a long time ago with some of the help.
Both Chiron and Neptune in the sky right now are making long slow transits of your fifth house of romance churning up your romantic desires to be swept away from your life as it is right now. Neptune feeds overly romantic thoughts, and Chiron makes you painfully aware of what you don’t have. You are not seeing the issue clearly, and this you need to work on.
First you need to separate your needs from that of your family. As long as you allow them to do so, they will continue rely on you to be a caretaker. You are in your twenties now and it is well past time to leave the nest. If you have not pursued an education, you should do so. If you have, go back for a master’s or doctorate degree, away from home, anyplace where you can live on your own and experience life without the well intentioned interference of your family. Only until you discover who you really are, what you really need, will you be in full control of your choices, including, who to marry and when to have children."
While Googling around for some aspect or other, I started finding posts I had written in other places and feeling annoyed about it. "Goddammit, I wanted to find what other people said, not what I said" was the extent of it.
Yes, this is quite silly.
But while trying to not find my own writing, I occasionally find something that sounds like me, but isn't. Or the "hey, someone else has that particular combo of aspects!" phenomenon.
I have not done this, but apparently someone similar to me has.
"The first level of purpose has to do with what I am going to call for the moment 'a magic spark of life'. You have an extremely dynamic exact opposition between Uranus conjunct the Ascendant in the first house and Chiron conjunct the Descendant in the 7th house. This is a specific and rather unusual aspect creating a tight and powerful flow of energy right along the line in the chart that governs the interaction between yourself and other people..."
"Thanks a lot for the info on the Uranus/Chiron connection. I may have you do more on that in the future. I can physically feel it sometimes and wondered what the heck was going on. Now I know I'm not totally crazy!"
Mainly because I can't stand to read any more doom n' gloom on the astrology sites either.
So, found some other stuff to mention.
Even though I am sick of the political stuff too, I did think the synastry of the McCains was interesting.
Because of their 18-year age difference, they both have the North Node in Capricorn, South Node in Cancer. The synastry aspects to the lunar nodes show a deep connection, with her Venus-Jupiter in Gemini forming an out-of-sign conjunction with his South Node in Cancer. This aspect may show how her wealth allows them to live comfortably with several homes around the country. Her Mars conjoins his North Node in Capricorn, providing active support for his need to serve his country and its traditions.
Chiron is another active element in their synastry, with her Venus conjunct his Chiron in Gemini and his Moon conjunct her Chiron in Capricorn. The question here is whether these two sympathetic personal planets have provided a comfort level allowing for the healing of old wounds. Chiron often shows us where we feel most insecure, and John has a square between natal Chiron and Venus, reflecting doubts about being loveable. Cindy’s Chiron is closely trine her Sun, suggesting that she experienced positive reinforcement of her self-esteem growing up, thus making it likely she has been able to help John sort through his issues in this area.
They both have Juno in Leo, with Cindy’s Pluto in Leo closely conjoining them. Their idea of an ideal marriage and household is thus very similar, and this particular aspect has no doubt stood them in good stead with all the entertaining in support of John’s political career over the years. With Pluto adding his two cents, discussions about jealously and possessive behaviors had to have played a role behind the scenes.
I always find it interesting when there are node connections, especially since in this case it's mutual and they both have a connection to the nodes of the other.
A synastry question, post-relationship: "Considering that Venus, Mars and the Moon are involved in our conjunctions, as well as the signs Libra and Scorpio, all related to relationships, I wonder about the nature of the connection between Dan and I. What happens to the connections in the charts now that we are no longer in a relationship? Also, how is it possible for us to have such strong astrological connections but for us to not have sustained a relationship? I don’t think we will get back together but it is a remote possibility. I cannot put to rest that we have these astrological connections and yet we don’t have a connection through being in relationship."
I've always wondered about that too.
Speaking to the first side of this discussion — a conventional theory on chart comparison — when you’re looking for solid synastry, you want contact between the Sun, the Moon and the angles if possible. By angles, I mean the ascendant and/or the descendant. These are the three things we tend to feel the most, and which — for good or ill — suggest that we have karma to explore, create or resolve with the person. As a fourth possible thing to search, the lunar nodes can indicate a significant spiritual connection. And that, basically, is what you’re looking for.
Conjunctions count for the most. Carl Jung, who was an astrologer as well as a psychiatrist, cast the chart of every client he worked with. He discovered the phenomenon of Sun/Moon/ascendant in the charts of married people. Your Sun conjunct someone’s Moon (even using a fairly wide orb) speaks of a connection that could develop. Someone’s Sun conjunct the other person’s ascendant or descendant would be viable as well, and reveal some points of harmony between the two people, since again, we really feel that Sun, Moon and rising sign. But you have to watch for the exceptions as much as you do the rules.
Usually, I find synastry to be better at figuring out why a relationship didn’t work out than predicting whether one will. Generally what happens is that there will be a lot of connections that look good, but then for example there may be a harsh connection between someone’s Mars and the other person’s Moon. This might trigger the other person, giving an image of them feeling insecure or unstable, or something like that.
As with any chart review, you’re going to find things that seem harmonious and argue for a productive experience, and things that are not so harmonious and argue for a more challenging connection. You need to weigh and balance the factors — and reality check in the relationship.
But here is the thing. We who are curious about relationships need to reinvent them. We need to make room for the karma piece, which needs a safe forum to work out. We need to make room for the monogamous piece, that offers total devotion. We need to embrace the slut who says yes because that’s what she wants. And we need to embrace that virginal whore — the masturbator and selflover, whether she be the one abandoned or the one indulging existence.
He has Chiron in the mix (square Neptune and and Saturn), in the 7th house (relationships). This makes him more charming to the ladies than a bleeding tourist is to a shark. It also means his relationships could have that quality of one disaster after the next, which would be true as long as you don’t notice how much he’s learning, or the level of authenticity he strives to bring to the people he’s involved with, or how deeply they touch him.
I already have Chiron in seventh, so this makes me laugh.
Look who else has Venus Saturn + Chiron issues.
In related news, good god, I AM THE POSTER CHILD FOR THIS FREAKING POST. I had to comment on it- long answer short, V/S transits aren't a darned bit different for me than how I usually feel. Now, transiting Saturn conjunct my Sun was pretty nuts because I got involved with a guy (a) in his SR and (b) his natal Saturn is conjunct my natal Sun. That kicked me upside the head for years after the relationship ended, and presumably kicked him a bit as well because he swore he'd never date younger again after the nightmare that was me :P And we all know what happened during my SR. But that shit isn't stuff that I am used to having happen all the time.
I have to say, I love Saturn in Virgo because I have no Virgo and I don't have to worry about anything massive happening to me again until Saturn hits Scorpio.
Updated to add some voices of V/S from the second link:
"But Venus/Saturn… well, it has always been difficult for me to make friends, and for years and years no one has expressed any romantic interest in me. It has made things very lonely on a personal level.
So Saturn transits to Venus, or vice versa, are not really that noticeable to me. It’s like the “same old, same old”, always there anyway, and other transits which don’t reflect natal themes seem to make much more of an impact."
"I have Venus squaring pretty much everything, probably even that chair you’re sitting on. Venus sq. Sun and Venus, in this case, is awful. I was just thinking the other day about how awful I must have been in the love department in past lives. I have Venus in the 7th so with all the square action….it seems I am destined to never have the thing I want/need the most–a loving, caring, committed relationship. So, in other words, eff transits. Natal shit is every day."
There is a theory, that if you fix Chiron, you can fix your chart, it’s like the master key. The trick is Chiron is often a blind spot, especially in your chart with the interception. That I am telling you this, maybe it feels weird, like well what do you do about it? Well, here is what: What makes you feel good about yourself? Do that, and do a lot of that.
