16 posts tagged “neptune”
First off, Neptune:
I have my planets of identity (Sun) and relationship (Venus) in my Seventh House -- plus my chart ruler is conjunct my Descendant -- so partnership to me feels like an essential nutrient. But many people prefer being alone. Is it by choice ... or inability to maintain a satisfying relationship?Some people find that their commitment to work or a creative pursuit leaves little room in their lives for the demands of relationship. An occasional fling or one-night stand, yes -- but not the hard work that goes into maintenance.
If you work full time and then come home to churn out your novel or practice guitar, how can you also have the time and energy for another person? The more hours you spend with a partner, the less you have for your art or career. And what if you're a single parent who's hesitant to potentially destabilize your children's lives?
Some things may be more important to you than carrying on a romance. But maybe you just suck at relationships! It's important to know the difference, because permanent retreat from intimacy due to a disastrous love life should not be confused with "having greater priorities."
You can't blame the planets for your relationship life, but a look at their placements in your natal chart can indicate what's behind the difficulty with being partnered.
Right off the bat, I'm thinking, "there's my mom." Sure enough, she has Venus opposed to Neptune, Pisces on the 7th house cusp and Pisces moon on the descendant. She is the QUEEN of this one.Neptune, Pisces and the Twelfth House all share the theme of sacrifice. If you have this archetype prominent in your chart, you may have a tendency to give up nearly everything for your partner. You idealize them or take care of them, setting aside your own needs to put them first. You might derive pleasure from giving of yourself, but at what cost? What about your dreams, your aspirations? The danger of this pattern is that you neglect your own growth by putting all your attention on someone else.
Yes, sometimes the role of the person behind the scenes -- who props up the superstar -- is essential in its own right, and you are well suited for it. But other people are simply codependent or attached to the role of the martyr. If this is you, it does not necessarily mean you are better off single. However, this is a core pattern that you may not be able to overcome by yourself. There are 12-step groups for codependents, and psychotherapy can be helpful. But you are better off being alone for a while if you cannot help but fall into the same pattern again and again. If you keep attracting losers, it could be a sign that you're sending out the wrong signals.
I mentioned earlier about reading Astrology of Intimacy, Sexuality and Relationship
by Noel Tyl, he who "rediscovered" the quindecile. Wanting to know more about this, I ordered the book his protege wrote on the subject.
I'd probably give it some like a B, were I to rate books around here. It's not a bad resource (pretty much the only one out there beyond the mentions in Tyl's books, so it's not like there are other options!), but it could be better.
The author mainly works in "code words", which are not my favorite thing ever because I tend to like more complicated (dare I say, nitpicky?) explanations for concepts. However, I do understand that some people love code words and that works great to give them a basic understanding of the combinations. So that's not bad, and there's a bit more explanation of the concepts in the back of the book.
Examples of the code word system she seems to use (and repeat frequently):
So me trying to put them together to figure out what my quindeciles mean translates into:
- Scorpio = control, transformative ideas, regeneration
- Taurus = tangible means
- Cancer = all the people, family and people
- Sagittarius = philosophies and belief systems
- Uranus = disruption of the status quo w/intuitive ideas
- Venus = aesthetics & kinship and collaboration
- Jupiter = excess, expansion and growth
- Neptune = sensitivity, illusive, imaginary, ideal
I don't know about you, but to me that's all kind of a mouthful to say, much less to really get a mental hold of.
- Uranus in Scorpio (disruption of the status quo through control)
- Venus in Taurus (aesthetics and kinship through tangible means)
- Neptune in Sagittarius (sensitivity with philosophies and belief systems)
- Jupiter in Cancer (excess, expansion and growth within the family)
It's slightly better in the back index:
On the con side, she doesn't cover South Nodes, IC's, or descendants in this book. It seems odd to me to not mention them, given the heavy play she gives to their counterparts. She claims "not to be an expert on the South Nodes" and that is why she leaves them out. This irritated me. Honestly, it's not hard to learn about the one while you're doing the other. And I felt it was a weakness to leave these details out. (I will admit to being biased, since I have a quindecile with the IC and uh, would have been nice to have found out about that.)"Venus (the need to cooperate and collaborate) quindecile Uranus (disruption of the status quo through unique and innovative ideas)- May be driven toward constant stimulation and excitement in one's relationships. May be sexually flirtatious and a risk taker. Can have trouble with intimacy and monogamous relationships. May be unpredictable and erratic in financial matters. Benefit comes through development of a unique sense of style and an intense focus on self-worth issues. May possess avant garde artistic talent that expresses one's style."
"Jupiter (excess, expansion and growth) quindecile Neptune (seeking the illusive, imaginary, and ideal)- May be driven by indulgences, addictions, escapism, and idealism. May use illusion or deceit to gain advantage. May be continuously dissatisfied because of a dream of the ideal. Benefit comes through the pursuit of one's spiritual philosophies and benefits. May be artistically sensitive and creative."
He began with a take on Uranus that I had never heard — transits of Uranus to itself can result in a person specializing. Principally they will specialize in being themselves, but he added that such transits (Uranus opposite Uranus at age 40 or so, for example) will be the time a butcher decides to specialize in lamb and the green grocer specializes in grapes. Finally, we get to hang up a big sign that says, “I am me.”
He made a point that I found truly worth repeating — at these moments, this process of being oneself must resonate in some way with the collective; that is, it’s not Being Me in a self-serving way but rather in a way that works for the community as well. You must maintain your objectivity, or in losing (or failing to gain) it, you run the risk of becoming evil. This is not an overstatement: that objectivity, which I would describe as the ability to see oneself and the other fairly, is what makes it safe to have creative power. I don’t think there is true objectivity but what I think he means is the ability to be witness to yourself; and through that, gradually learn a kind of impartiality.
A person with the Moon in House I has known considerable personal recognition in previous lives, the memory of which can come through into the current incarnation as a strong desire for renown. Only the overall pattern of the chart will show whether this yearning can be fulfilled. The position of the Sun indicates the area of life in which the person will need to excel in this lifetime.
In the absence of the real thing, people with the Moon in House I tend to settle into a Walter Mitty kind of existence in which they become the centre of a universe of their own creation. Those who do become accomplished some area or another, however, are usually able to use the past life memory to present themselves with great effect.
Hah. Yeah, I do the Walter Mitty thing...mainly because with my Saturn in tenth, I have no idea how to do it for real.
When the dissolving effect of Neptune is experienced in H2, this materially focused house, the result can be heightened sensitivity to psychic energies. People with Neptune in H2 frequently have clairvoyant abilities, especially if the Moon is also present in this house.
That explains a lot... (My moon is right on the cusp of house 1-2) I always wondered where that came from.
Argh...Saturn in the 10th House is the planet of Karma in its Own House. Unsurprisingly its effect on a person’s life is very pronounced. The sign and position of the Moon will shed light on why there should be such a need to have to struggle against an undertow which threatens to pull down all-a-person builds in his life, and which is resisted only by constant effort, self-discipline and sound judgment. Saturn in the 10th House, as the lives of Hitler and Napoleon demonstrate, does not rule out eminence and acclaim but it means that a person will face the consequences of all he has put into motion during his lifetime.
A person with Saturn in H10 frequently starts life with obstacles blocking his way, including a father with a negative and critical attitude to the child or the marked absence of a father figure during the formative years. Either way the child’s self-confidence is seriously undermined. If the father is absent the child frequently feels a sense of shame and unworthiness for which he may attempt to compensate by achievement. Alternatively there may be insufficient self-confidence for him to make anything other than the most hesitant of progress in a career. Amongst those who do strive to succeed, it is notable that they commonly become disillusioned with their choice of career at the point when they are in sight of the glittering prizes, or suffer professional disgrace. Either way they are perceived by others as having ‘blown it’.
With Pluto in the 12th House consciousness is opening up to a power which can 'will into being'. Pluto in H12 has access to the Creator’s power and the purposes to which he will use it will reflect his level of development: he can manifest what he lusts after or he can will into being what he knows to be of benefit to mankind. For whatever he brings into being he will be held directly responsible.
I keep getting stuff about manifestation in my card readings in the last few months. I don't know what to make of it. I'm very nervous about trying it... (see below)
A person with this placement of Pluto frequently knows much cruelty and abuse in childhood, be it of a physical, emotional or mental kind, and the perpetrators are usually the parents or guardians who have power over the child by virtue of their custodial role. From them the child has little opportunity to escape at the physical level and in order to get away he forces open a shutter in the mind which gives him access to enormous psychic power.
Okay, I dunno about that "forces a shutter open in the mind" and "enormous" thing, but... the rest of it, yeah.
It is the law of the 12th House that for what is denied at the physical level is compensated at the immaterial.
The power of a person with Pluto in H12 is most readily evidenced by their often unconscious use of what has become known in New Age circles as Creative Visualisation: if he can hold an image or picture an outcome and give it his emotional energy he can bring it into being.
Too bad I suck at mental pictures. I am attempting collage in order to get around this.
When used consciously, Pluto in H12 gives a person great charisma and the ability to make others into the agents of the outworking of his will. The responsibilities of this are enormous and the karma incurred through the use of the power conferred by Pluto in H12 is unlikely to be burned off in the course of a single lifetime. A person with this placement, if he is to work consciously with his powers, needs to be able to recognise and resist the voice of his desire nature.
Eeeeeek.
"I routinely draw Venus Saturn and Venus in Capricorn and I don’t know that there is anyone I’d rather have my back. The whole world can turn on you. This has happened to me and it’s Venus in Capricorn standing alongside saying, “Leave her alone.”
They love (Venus) you in public (Saturn), see. They stand up for you. The whole world can tie you to a stake, place grass at your feet, be ready to light it and it’s going to be your Venus Saturn friend who steps up and says, “You’re not going to light that…”
And the people will stop in their tracks too because of the authority that Venus Saturn exudes. It’s as if Venus Saturn is credible. They are equipped to judge (Saturn) your worth (Venus) so if they say you’re okay, then you can be sure you’re okay.
Compare to Venus Neptune who can dream up a turd and you get the picture."
*snicker* at the turd bit...
Taurus-Scorpio. Here we have Saturn-Neptune on the 4th-10th axis. Saturn (achievement) and Neptune (calling) are a strongly vocational combination anyway, and this is emphasised by being on the 4th-10th axis of private life vs public life, home vs career, solid achievement (10th) growing out of a strong personal foundation (4th).
For Taureans, the emphasis will be on letting yourself be drawn into the world, called to some new activity (Neptune) on the basis of the inner strength you have built up (Saturn). For Scorpions, it will be about confidently advancing your career through drawing new inspiration from your depths, and this may involve being less secretive about who you are.
Saturn, as he transits the last few degrees of Leo, is raising holy hell. He doesn't always behave like this, but he's just been worn down by a year in opposition to Neptune. As a result, everything he touches is falling apart.
Saturn in Leo stifles love. Neptune in Aquarius said, "I won't let you do that."
Okay, here's where I'll go through my favorite bits in this book to see what I should do in life.
From the Donna Cunningham chapter, "Updating the Tradition- Attitudes Brought to the Workplace:"
- People with a strong 10th house are motivated toward some vocation or calling. "Their drive towards significance is strong- they want to be somebody. The means may be less important than the end." I can't really argue with this, as you'll see in a minute. My current job is pretty well nobody-ish.
- "A planet within ten degrees of the Midheaven is the most powerful vocational significator- even and especially when it is in the 9th house." That would be my Mars in Leo in the ninth, a few degrees off from the MC. Incidentally, this is what astro.com says about this: "This aspect indicates that when you are older you should choose a career in which you can have a great deal of independence and expend a lot of physical energy." My jobs so far in life have had a lot of the first, not so much of the second. Current job REALLY doesn't let me expend energy, I'm penned in all day. No wonder I go to the gym and work out for 2 hours afterwards, and occasionally "run around the building" on breaks/lunch.
- "The house the Sun is in is also an important indicator. Since the Sun is the center of one's being and an important source of self-discovery and self-expression, one might as well get paid for it....There are occupations matching each of the 12 houses. If any area of life is outstandingly important, you can bet there is money in it."
- Then she mentions that while someone may have chart aspects that are favorable for a suggested career area, they may also have aspects that make those choices to be not such a good idea. I have Neptune in the second, so I think that means I REALLY SHOULDN'T start my own business, because I will fuck it up. No money jobs for me.
- 7th house indicates business partners.
- Then there's the concept of "Outer Planet People", people who have Uranus, Neptune, and/or Pluto aspects to the Sun, Moon, ascendant, or midheaven, or are heavily aspected in general. You guessed it- I've got Uranus square the midheaven and Neptune trine the midheaven. Lucky me! Oh, wait, not.
- OPP ("yeah, you know me!") folks with outer-planet emphasis in their tenth houses are "often reduced to earning a living through the 2nd House and the skills and resources shown there. Our society does not tend to validate or reward the callings denoted by the outer planets. OPP's are likely to regard their true vocation as a calling- not as something they chose but as something which chose them." That's another "calling" reference. Hmmm. "They are otherworldly rather than worldly, visionary rather than practical. These would include nontraditional careers like New Age practicioners, creative artists, or political or environmental activists- alternate lifestyles. Traditional vocational testing is likely to be useless- probably 90 percent would register as poets or artists." Uranian jobs tend to relate to science, computers, political activism or astrology, Neptunian jobs are more creative or medical/lservice-y.
- "OPP's tend to meander and have a history of false career starts until the time period of the Saturn Return or later. They often feel like miserable failures and wonder why they are not as well-established as their contemporaries. There is a good reason for this, in that it takes well-seasoned, mature individuals to handle these planets' energies well." (Or let's face it, it's harder to find, have, create, or maintain a "weird" career.) "Finally, after years of meandering, some transit sets off their 10th or 6th House or the Midheaven, and they find their calling. This transit often coincides with a re-evaluation of the life path, in which the individual changes to a nontraditional career."
- Though the good news is, when a major aspect between Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto is going on, people with those planets in aspect tend to do well. That's going on now with Saturn/Neptune.
From Noel Tyl's "Special Measurements for Vocational Guidance":
- Moon in Sag means that you have the need to share opinions and speak your mind. Job environment must accept this need.
- When the moon is in the second house, the person needs a work structure that emphasizes self-worth and personal excellence. "Like a shiny object in a display case, the person needs to be on view when working or, at least, have the work evaluated frequently." This sounds more attention-whorey than I actually do act at work these days.
- He's got a concept that the planet closest to your ascendant (the "oriental planet", to use his terminology) indicates the style a person has towards need fulfillment. Mine is Pluto, which...um, makes me sound like a starfucker or a talk-show host. Seriously.
- "With Pluto oriental, there is an interesting consideration to weigh: the individual is attracted to opportunities to gain stature through affiliation, especially with prominent people. There is the need to gain power and personal prominence through the work situation. If that opportunity is not present, i.e. meeting celebrities, for example, feeling important by being with important others (or issues), this sense of style will be frustrated. Merv Griffin ins a perfect example of Pluto oriental....In short, the need is to enhance status through affiliation. If the job provides this kind of fulfillment, it is ideal." Much as I really fucking hate to admit it...yeah. This has appeal. I don't understand why anyone would want to be famous on the level of "I have paparazzi going through my trash and calling me fat" in general, but one of the few things I find really appealing about fame is having the access to more interesting job opportunities and getting to work/associate with talented famous people. You just don't get those things as easily (or in the case of the latter, probably at all) without fame attached to you.
- Midheaven aspects are supposed to be a big indicator with regards to style expression, job milieu requirements, and individual needs. Again, a planet within 5 degrees of the midheaven, even if it's in the ninth house, is the big one with regards to this.
- Neptune aspecting the Midheaven (and/or moon) is apparently a very popular aspect in the charts of famous performers.
And finally, let's look at "Money Patterns in the Horoscope," by Gina Ceagilo:
- Money planets are Venus and Pluto.
- Saggitarius in the second house means that your attitude towards money is upbeat- you expect to be fortunate.
- Venus ruling the 7th and 12th means that you connect wealth to approval, private/secret activity, and subconscious need.
- Where Venus and Pluto are found by house, sign, and aspects to other planets are reliable indicators of a source of income and the dynamics that the client uses to approach these things.
So, how do we sum all of this up for myself?
- I apparently need some job with a lot of independence and physicality, that's a calling, probably involves arts and probably definitely should involve fame/famous people. Too bad I can't act, eh?
- As an OPP (yeah, you know me!- I'm sorry, I can't stop doing that), I should have some kind of unusual, untraditional job. Given how hard it is to find that sort of job, I might have to start my own business.
- BUT: Financially, I'd better NOT start my own business, unless I have a
partner to babysit me, because I am overly optimistic and yet vague
about money. A partner would be good to combat that, but I don't know anyone suitable.
My old career (newspaper reporter) was probably a better fit than the job I've got these days (Uranian/computer related, but pretty staid and quiet). Being a small-town reporter wasn't exactly a fame-related activity, though.
I do feel kind of stuck these days. Like the kind of job I would like to have doesn't exist, and I'd have to create it myself. Except I can't manage money for/by myself, so I can't create my own job. So what do I do in that case?
I really have no idea. I guess I'm back where I started: nothing really works well for satisfying the soul, ambition, and starfucker sides of me AND gives me money to live on.
Argh.
More Elsa:
So one of the things I’ve learned over the course of my lifetime as a Saturn Neptune type is what you are afraid is going to happen is not what is going to happen. For example, say you’re 12th house Saturn and you have some awful dream. The first thing you think is oh, fuck me! That’s going to come true.
WRONG.
Your dreams or the fears that constellate seemingly out of nowhere virtually never happen. It is what you are afraid is going to happen, not what is really going to happen. And don’t get me wrong here.
This does not mean nothing bad is going to happen. In fact, often enough the thing that happens is much, much worse than whatever it was you feared! ::smiles::
I’m sorry but it’s true. I have had things be so incredibly bad there is no imagining worse and then it gets not only worse, but much worse! How many degrees of wretched can there be?
That's a new take on it...and rather a fun one too.
"I explained I have strong a strong Saturn Neptune signature in my chart and have been very curious to see how the collective would deal with what I and people like me deal with day in and day out. A disappearing (Neptune) reality (Saturn), that is. Reality isn’t real and un-reality often is.
Real unreality is everywhere you turn. You think something is real (Saturn) but hey! Maybe not!
And personally, I am in element. All the sudden I am making sense to people! Intuition (Neptune) is real (Saturn). Magic (Neptune) is real (Saturn) The ethereal is now real and the real is ethereal and it just keeps going back and forth like that."
Oh, so THAT's why my reality is so crazy it feels like it should be fictional. All. The. Time.
And speaking of, it's the fucking first of September. Today is the first day of...what?
On a similar note, looks like the next few days are supposed to be wacky.
"If things seem weird on September 3-5, well, they are. It’s a time of choices, forks in the road, and crucial decisions in the middle of a great craziness. Just watch out for others’ weirdness even if your own head is on straight. The energies are unpredictable, so expect the unexpected."
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Progressed moon trine transiting Uranus
- Progressed moon sextile natal Pluto
- Progressed moon trine natal Mercury
- Progressed sun harmonious to Jupiter
- Progressed sun conjunct natal Venus
- Progressed Venus conjunct natal Jupiter
- Progressed Ascendant/Descendant square natal Saturn
- Progressed Descendant conjunct natal Venus
- Progressed Venus sextile progressed north node
- Progressed MC trine progressed Chiron
- Progressed MC sextile progressed Jupiter
- Transiting Pluto trine natal Saturn
- Transiting Neptune sextile natal Neptune
- Transiting Uranus trine natal Uranus
- Transiting Saturn trine transiting Neptune
- Transiting Jupiter conjunct natal Uranus
If something big doesn't happen this weekend (or week of), I will probably have to eat a hat. Seriously. This is apparently a whole lotta romance shit.
I'll be running around the Bay Area that weekend, so who knows what will happen?
