34 posts tagged “venus saturn”
So, I got to meet a local celebrity from my hometown the other day. It was great fun- he's known for having the blingiest house at Christmas you have ever seen, and I got to tour the house. Huzzah!
So as I'm reading his website later, he happened to mention his birthday (the day before mine! Wow, I know a lot of April 23rd birthdays), AND the place of birth and time!
Yeah, I had to look.
He's a double Taurus (shopping, shopping), with a Sag moon (like me, hah), and URANUS RISING! That just cracked me up big time. He's in a very hierarchical profession/religion, but has the big ol' Sign of the Weirdo right front and center. With a north node in Leo (flashy!) in the fourth house...yes, he has a flashy house. (Interestingly enough, Chiron is conjunct the NN. I wonder what that means to him to do a flashy house with that aspect.) He's also a Venus Saturn person...a Catholic deacon sworn to celibacy.
Amusingly enough, my mother told him the next day that I'd seen we had nearby birthdays and he was all, "Taurus! Stubborn, likes to shop..." Believe me, if you've seen his house, you KNOW that. He must be really fun to go shopping with. Huh, I should meet the man more often. :)
Well, I got into the conference to talk about astrology! Huzzah!
The topic is going to be Saturn/personal planet connections, your personality, with some synastry thrown in. Basically, Sun/Saturn, Moon/Saturn, Mars/Saturn and Venus/Saturn. (Mercury/Saturn doesn't seem to mess people up nearly as bad, so I'm skipping that one.) Naturally, I've gone on about the last one quite a bit, but I plan on doing a lot of research, posting notes/links here, etc. Yay, excuse for research!
Right now I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions as to how to channel Mars/Saturn energy if a physical outlet can't be used. I know someone in this situation and ah...let's just say that right now he channels it in a "gets angry at everyone around him" sort of way. He used to be an active guy, but he won't be able to do much beyond walking ever again, so I was kind of at a loss as to how to advise his wife on this. At any rate, I'd like to have some solutions as to how to cope with the Big Four to talk about in my talk.
If anyone has any suggestions as to how they handle theirs, or any suggestions/links/thoughts they have on these aspects, let me know!
Heh. Neith, like me, has a LOT of Saturn shit.
In related news, I'm reading Elsa again and the comments here get interesting. Especially the chick who's tired of Elsa talking about her boyfriend all the time. (To which I say, well, I've been there and done that at times in my life, but it is her blog and she can write what she wants, and she writes about relationships, and what's under her nose right now...so...skip reading for awhile?) But really, here come the Venus Saturn folks...
"Yes, I believe Love is great and it is the highest joy one can experience. Will I have it in any lasting form?
No.
And as a Scorp w/ Cancer Moon and a Cancer Descendent… you can just imagine how I ache for a place to rest my head and call home…and feel safe…and protected… and unconditionally loved.
But alas, I have Saturn opposition Venus, an empty 7th house & my Venus is in Sag.
Apparently the universe doesn’t think I need a stable, lasting relationship. Um, OK. Thanks Universe! Too bad I’m too sensitive to endure this.
It’s brutal. I have intense, very short love affairs that I unconsciously destroy or the Universe destroys for reasons unbeknownst to me.
It’s fate.
And yet, I need love like I need air…but it just slips right through my fingers…
And it’s too painful to keep starting over since I’m apparently doomed due to the Saturn opposition."- "You are not doomed..What you are looking for you just haven’t found
yet…I have always thought saturn venus contacts showed stability..But
stability doen’t come easy and all of us have a different definition of
it.
My version of it is owning my own place that I can alway run home too if things get weird even if its only for a day..IT WASN’T A MAN PROVIDING THAT FOR ME EVEN THOUGH I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT Was..Even when I had that I NEVER FELT SAFE..
You just need to really think about what it is your looking for. You are the only one who can make you feel safe..That really is the truth…"
Well, this is cheering, for what it is:
Oh it's such fun how Venus squares BOTH Saturn and Uranus on Monday, sort of helping to personalise the whole Saturn Vs Uranus opposition via our own relationships...
In case it helps to imagine these inner archetypes facing off - Saturn is the Sage & Uranus is the Sacred Clown. Saturn is the Status Quo and Uranus is "the status wot?" iconoclast, genuinely amazed that anyone would even give a f**k. Saturn is your sometimes quite helpful inhibitions. Uranus is audaciously creative. Saturn is the quiet satisfaction of having gotten your taxes done. Uranus is the joy of a sudden hare-brained bolt of brilliance from out of nowhere.
Saturnine relationships are often duos who do well at work together, quiet and stable, getting off on the mutual reliance, sense of safety and shared opinions. Uranian relationships cause lots of w.t.f? moments from friends, if not actual tut-tutting. They're unconventional, growth stimulating & ludicrously good fun.
Saturn is society standards and expectations. Uranus is individuation & following one's own instincts. Obviously, either principle taken to extremes is awful: The juice-less, dry old voice of outmoded judgements. The total whack-job gibbering in the street. Uranian brilliance built on a foundation of homage paid to Saturn is amazing.
So I'm reading this interview with Kevin Smith and...
I hear ya, bud. I am jealous of those people who are all easy come (har), easy go, easy come again.
"So I started thinking about that and friends doing it -- and one of my favorite topics of discussion with friends is the difference between f**king and making love. Like the people who can just f*ck and move on, and the people like me who, like, once you f*ck somebody, you want to marry them. I've never had a one night stand in my life. First time I came to it, I wound up marrying the chick so it doesn't count. [Jason] Mewes, on the other hand, has f**ked more people than I will ever meet in my entire life. And whenever I talk to him about it, I don't get it -- he's like a one-timer; he hits it and quits it. I don't get it -- if you find a woman goodly enough to f*ck you, why wouldn't you call her the next day and try to do that again? And his view is, 'In your world, there's always someone goodly enough to f*ck. In my world, there's always someone else waiting to get plugged.' And I'm like, wow, what must that be like."
Anyway, this sounded like you-know-what, so I checked. And Kevin has a Venus-Pluto conjunction trine Saturn.
How bad is it to marry someone with Saturn in the seventh/Venus Saturn? Ouch.
For people new to astrology, traditional interpretation of Saturn in the 7th house (or any other Venus Saturn exchange) is burden in relationship. There are other manifestations of course. People marry older partners, controlling partners, the marriage is a business deal and I could go on and on. Fact is whatever the case, some restriction is given.
Now before you go swearing off anyone with a Venus Saturn exchange in their chart (or stabbing yourself if it’s you with Saturn in the 7th) just consider the alternative. How would you like a partner with no restrictions, hmm? How about he or she runs amok all over the land? Sound any better? I didn’t think so.
I think that one depends on the restrictions. Some are easier than others. But yeah, I know people who run amok and they're all annoying.
I faced this head on when I decided to hook up with the soldier. There was tremendous impediment that would have to be overcome if we were to be together. There would be long delay of gratification but just in general, he has a very hard life in many ways, for may reasons.
I have a very hard life as well but his is even worse and I talked openly about this with friends. I understood that it I opted to hook up with him I would inherit his problems and hardships. I would assume all his burdens and there were a long list of them. Further, one look at his chart and it’s pretty clear it will always be this way so what to do?
What I did was think about it long and hard and I felt about it very deeply until I came to a decision and made a very serious commitment… to myself and to him. So to answer the question, personally I would (and have already) married someone with a Venus Saturn signature in their chart though I’d caution anyone to follow suit unless they had certain qualities.
If you do not have a level of maturity for example, you’re going to be in big trouble with your Saturnian partner. If you want to live in la la land, here again the person with Saturn associated with Venus is going to mess you up big time.
On the other hand if you want real (Saturn) love (Venus), the conscious Venus Saturn person has it to give. Thing is, I don’t think many want real love. They want a movie or an adventure or a fling. Maybe they want some danger or to piss off their mommy by dating or marrying you. Consequently Venus Saturn and their “real love” goes begging.
I think I am the burden myself. I am extremely bound to my mother and unlikely to escape it. I want out, but short of death or landing on Craphole Island, that is never going to happen. And any poor bastard with me has to deal with it (so far, they have been rather ticked and all, "Why can't you just cut her off?" Not that they ever did this themselves, mind you.) I don't like being burdened (Sag moon haaaaaaaaaates this), but it's like having a kid: I can't run away. I will be stuck being a caregiver again at some point, even though I am just terrible at it, because there is no one else. That time might be soon, I might have a few years' leeway, but the anvil will drop again on me, and only on me.
I tend to think, "I already have the burden, why should I take on MORE burden?!" in relationships now. Mainly because I didn't do terribly well at taking on a burden with my last ex, who was definitely a burden with regards to physical health. He hasn't had good health like ever, it's all genetic, and it's only gonna get worse as he goes on. (Also, he does run amok with money. Literally could not hold on to it for longer than 12 hours, HAD to spend it. Worse than me on shopaholicness, I swear.) He was the ex who reminded me the most of my dad and I was secretly butt-terrified that I'd be a shitty caregiver to him the worse he got in the future. I would tell him this and he would always brush it off (he's a terminal optimist). I think I'd prefer someone burden-free, because I already have my arms full o' crap with too much to handle as is. I dunno how much choice you have in the matter, though.
I guess in the end I wouldn't want to choose to go through with taking it on, but would be forced into it. Because I am a shit magnet.
Back to Elsa again...
One look at all the Saturn action in this chart and it’s no wonder we opted out of this relationship as teenagers. I think it was just too daunting but what about that thing they call “karma”? What about “destiny”?
I can be no accident we spend 28.5 years apart… a Saturn cycle and then are put back together to do what we would not or could not when we were kids. Something like this happens to you and if you’re us you start to maybe put 2 and 2 together or try to anyway And when we put 2 and 2 together we come up with the idea you just can’t avoid your destiny.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t like your destiny. It doesn’t matter if it scares you, pisses you off, makes you whine or whatever other kind of hijinks you can imagine, whatever it is your are trying to avoid (or pawn off on others) is going to come back and get you and get you in spades.
So in this case I was going to try to opt away from the Special Forces soldier. I didn’t want to deal with (anymore) death. I wanted to have a lighter fare life for a switch, but guess what? That was not my destiny anymore than having blond hair is my destiny and our having put this off and delayed it for 30 years did us little good. It may be understandable but it was not advisable and my point as it relates to others is this:
Whatever your problems may be… let’s say you have problems in relationship since they are so focal for me. You are only going to be able to run so long. You can run all the way to your grave if you like but where is that going to get you? Will you wake up in your next life with the same problems only worse?
Based on my life experience I tend to think so.
So, they always say the Venus Saturn types can't find a happy relationship until at LEAST the age of 40. Joy.
Sometimes I wonder why the hell this is. Or why I don't have any remotely good looking aspects for that for at least another eight years. (Then again, that may not matter.)
I just wanted to say that it terrifies me when someone is all, "Sure, you'll get married at 40. Maybe it's because you have to wait for someone to turn legal first and you're supposed to end up with a 20-year-old hottie."
Oh good god. Me as a cougar? I don't judge the cougar-types (I have two friends who are cougars, one of them is the one who said this), but I have always been bothered by age difference in relationships. The lone time I dated up, well, I traumatized him into never dating younger again. And unless they had some massively traumatic childhood, younger guys are even worse odds as to how immature they are. (The traumatic childhood folks have no use for me, as well they shouldn't. What does someone who got booted out on the street at 16 have in common with my spoiled brat upbringing? They think I'm an idiot.) So I have this thing in my head that I want to end up with someone who is my age. As in, within a year of my birth so nobody's lording it over the other with age.
This entry inspired by (a) the cougar friend's comments, and (b) today's Cary Tennis letter on Salon.
So, they always say the Venus Saturn types can't find a happy relationship until at LEAST the age of 40. Joy.
Sometimes I wonder why the hell this is. Or why I don't have any remotely good looking aspects for that for at least another eight years. (Then again, that may not matter.)
I just wanted to say that it terrifies me when someone is all, "Sure, you'll get married at 40. Maybe it's because you have to wait for someone to turn legal first and you're supposed to end up with a 20-year-old hottie."
Oh good god. Me as a cougar? I don't judge the cougar-types (I have two friends who are cougars, one of them is the one who said this), but I have always been bothered by age difference in relationships. The lone time I dated up, well, I traumatized him into never dating younger again. And unless they had some massively traumatic childhood, younger guys are even worse odds as to how immature they are. (The traumatic childhood folks have no use for me, as well they shouldn't. What does someone who got booted out on the street at 16 have in common with my spoiled brat upbringing? They think I'm an idiot.) So I have this thing in my head that I want to end up with someone who is my age. As in, within a year of my birth so nobody's lording it over the other with age.
This entry inspired by (a) the cougar friend's comments, and (b) today's Cary Tennis letter on Salon.
