]]>"Venus is conjuncting Saturn. My Gemini friend had to endure a relationship talk with out any wine and she was miserable. My Libra friend is boiling to get the house in her name. My Taurus friend wrote the world's most beautiful love letter. My Pisces friend wont turn on her cell and her Aries Sun Gemini Moon boyfriend is going ballistic."
Read this for some comparisons. Chiron on the descendant people are really chiming in here.
"The one thing I know about love for sure is that it's the only game in town and that you must keep going back to bat again and again. I have no respect for anyone who says they've given up, or that they're not looking or that they're tired. That is to abrogate one's responsibility as a human being." -from A Curmudgeon's Garden of Love
So, kind of in preparation for Elsa's next class, I was looking at my analysis from the previous one, which pretty much reiterates that I am a total bitch and a half when it comes to relationships and I suspect it would take an act of God to get me involved again. I can't help but think that if I was a professional and saw my chart, I'd tell me something like, "Look, you're gonna be miserable without a relationship, but you're also gonna have tons of issues within one, plus making the dude miserable. Considering that you can't win either way, I'd say to do lifelong singledom because at least this way you're not torturing someone else too."
Since I think this way, you can imagine how I find the above quote to be irritating as fuckall.
Now, I happen to own a much-treasured copy of A Curmudgeon's Garden of Love (if you can dig it up in a used bookstore, I HIGHLY recommend it. Any of the Curmudgeon books, for that matter), and it features an interview with Harlan Ellison, who got married four times before finally sticking with wife #5. Now, I don't have my copy in front of me and I can't find the direct quote I'm thinking of online, but he says something along the lines of, "If I, of all people, can finally find lasting love, it could happen to anybody." Well, maybe that's the case. I hear he's...interesting...to deal with in real life. But the interview itself is pretty entertaining to read, what with his worst date ever, how he can't go into details about losing his virginity but it was like a docking maneuver in 2001, etc. And if you read the link above, there's another quote about WHY he's had so many women split on him. But presumably Susan doesn't find him irritating. Go figure.
So I figured I'd check the guy's chart to see how much of a hard nut he is to crack. And he's got the usual suspects of difficulty in there: Mars Saturn square, Moon Saturn square, and Venus Saturn sextile. Venus Uranus loose-ish conjunction in seventh for all those sudden relationships squaring Pluto, and the Moon trines Pluto. UH-OH TEH DRAMA KABOOMBAH comes to mind seeing that. And oh, look, sun conjunct Chiron. So, yeah, me and Harlan Ellison are real goddamned lulus in relationship. That's...fun to know.
Seriously...that is gonna be a hard nut to crack. I really hope he does therapy. He certainly comes off as pleasant, but if you tick him off, watch out, and he's going to be clenched so hard that his ass could make diamonds when it comes to love and softness.
Poor bastard. That's just an ugly T-square there.
I just finished reading The Importance of Being Famous and there's a very...telling...interview with Karl Lagerfeld in it:
So.....what do you think he is astrologically that cites these points?"Karl has all the qualities of a virgin. He has great discipline. He does not need people around to be happy--he's very much into his dreams, his fantasies, and his books." -Gilles Dufour
"I was born to be alone." Lagerfeld says a fortune-teller first told him so when he was only eighteen, but he knew it already...He wouldn't need anybody else, the fortune-teller prophesied. "'There are things you can have and things you cannot have. One cannot have everything, and nobody can adjust to that as well as you.' She told me, 'You can never have a normal family life, so whatever the standard image is of happiness, family, friendship, bonheur [happiness], for you it doesn't work. Stay alone--watch the world--you can get everything if you are ready not to conform. Stay away from everything that is normal life.' Strange, eh?"
1: he's a Virgo. Here's his chart. So yes, he's got "all the qualities of a virgin." Virgo Sun conjunct Neptune would account for his dreaminess and fantasy world. And the Pisces moon comes out in the the point in the interview when he's crying about the death of his best friend, who seems to have been his equivalent of a "soul mate" and family even though they weren't romantically involved. I wonder about his codependency level a little since the Virgo/Pisces combo is prone to some kind of martyr/service thing. I suspect he's neither a Virgo or Pisces rising or he'd be more codependent, though. Apparently he wasn't compelled to get sexual or partner off for life, but it sounds like the best friend was his partner in life, more or less, even if it wasn't that sort of partnership.
I really wish I knew this guy's rising sign, not that you're ever likely to figure that out. (Apparently he tries to hide his birth date, but hah, there's evidence of that one.)
2. The fortune teller thing is VERY interesting to me. I suspected heavy Uranus influence, like he'd be an Aquarius rising or have Uranus rising (not that I can tell this). So all I can go on is the Uranian aspects in his chart, which are:
I suspect the sun trining Uranus and the Jupiter/Uranus combination are what lead to his super-independence and being unable to settle for a traditional "family life."
Sun trine Uranus orb -0°37'
Uranus trine Neptune orb +3°02'
Saturn semi-sextile Uranus orb +1°01'
Jupiter square Uranus orb -7°03'
In the same book, there's an interview at the end with Margot Fonteyn, and it goes on about how she was utterly self-sacrificing to her handicapped husband, how she didn't have an identity in her own head until she married him, and oh, how happy she was to do that sacrifice!
Naturally I was all, "Virgo," but...she's got NO Virgo whatsoever. What the heck? What accounts for this attitude?
I suspect I'd have to pin it on having Saturn on the descendant, and Sun, Moon, Mars, and Venus all tied to it. Saturn in the seventh is "hard knocks in love" anyway, but can manifest in having an ill partner. She felt bound in there, like "this is how love is supposed to go," and Saturn in Leo is kind of "hard on the family."
]]>This is a hilarious way to describe it.
]]>Having Saturn transitting one’s Venus is like being stalked by a scary life coach. If your Venus is between 18 and 26 degrees of a Mutable sign, you’re having a Saturn-Venus transit. Or 18 to 26 of anything but especially the Mutable. It’s very similar if Saturn is aspecting your Ascendent or Descendent. Or transitting (I so nearly typed transhitting) your 5th or 7th House.
So my Venus – this is just to illustrate- is at 22 Pisces and trine Neptune in Scorpio. Venus in Pisces peeps are already prone to romanticise – having it trine Neptune is just the icing. So the other day I’m walking out of the gym and my mind meanders to the stupid Uranian & his devastating combo of black hair/blue eyes & how charming he can be when not off his face. Venus-Neptune v.quickly took me to a point where I was thinking how my Saturn his on his North Node and that maybe it is my destiny to sort his life out or something like that.
Suddenly I swear I practically heard the voice of Saturn; ‘get a fuqing grip, don’t date men who are beneath you.’ Now Venus in Pisces is about universal compassion and she certainly doesn’t think people are beneath you. But Saturn is all about setting standards and having the self-control to stick to them.
Am still reading along (though not participating, really) with Elsa's Sun series class. Today's chart was someone she cited as being truly burdened and I freaked out for a few paragraphs assuming it was me. It wasn't me, but it was someone with Saturn opposing three planets and Elsa likened them to being the person who has to haul the bodies out of a hospice.
OUCH doesn't even begin to cover that one.